See more Show your support Send Flowers Send flowers or a gift to a service or family's home. In fact, Knick admits Diane took that gold chain as collateral against a $500 LOAN she made to him. I do not believe that this type of abuse would occur today. Unfortunately couldnt really do anything at that point, as the movie was not VHS yet, it only aired that oncein late 89. I cannot be more transparent than that and integrity was one of the missing pieces of the entire case. Weve become friends. Diane Downs and Alice Crummins were considered sluts and cold-blooded women and were judged on their unusual character. I will agree that it was suspicious that Diane got away with one bullet in the arm, even if the injury was severe, but she was outside the car and many scenarios are possible to that effect. And other inmates were released with worst backgrounds. Whether or not Mrs. Frederickson could have attacheda clinical lab to Dianes not being herself the day the Detectives pressured Diane to accompany them, the fact is Diane was clearly suffering the residual effects of that chemical poison in her system. As for how to answer this question,,, seems like he is assuming guilt and because of this my parents or me or my brothers and sister, our uncles and aunts were not considered because of an unproven allegation Does he truly believe this is ok??? Are her parents still living (I know they were a few years ago)? Christie was understandably all over the place and I agree that the way in which her statements were procured were very odd and seemed to be very coached. Rule sued the Seattle Weekly after they published the article titled , Ann Rule promotes her books as true crime stories so to this day, viewers believe that the book and the movie titled, This reminds me of what a jail counselor named Rachel Roth said at the trial of Debra Milke , They already had made up their mind that Diane was the perpetrator so they laughed off the idea of the , When I hear some people say that they would have liked to smack that smirk off Dianes face when she interacted with the cops or the media, I say. People tend to forget that the group of young women hanging out with Manson were deeply engaged in serious drug use and totally out of their mind at the time. They are the ones who supposedly (according to Diane) screwed her up so badly. . It gave Anne Rule carte blanche to legally use these labels in her book and it stuck. Ms. Downs makes every effort to avoid emotional stimuli in order to reduce the demands made on her. Dianes story does not contradict that. The Parole Board had an obligation to parole Diane between 1998 and 2002 if she could provide reasonable cause to show she was not a danger to society. Of course buying drugs with three kids in the middle of the night from a guy like that is not the mindful thing to do, but would be more consistent as an explanation for her actions. Are we to believe that Proctors second gun was stolen with the bill and ID from the first gun that remained listed at the gun store? Downs is said to have claimed that she spotted a bushy-haired man who waved down her car along the desolate road. she chose to stay with Manson and his misfits. Dianes automobile was secured and examined and no gun was found. Its more boring to tell the truth and the readers might not have flocked to read a fair story without no real heroes and villains. Robert has lived in a mobile / manufactured home in Tucson, AZ with Christian. James C. Jagger who was hired by Dianes father was an ex-Prosecutor. She had one arm totally out of commission. A. I was still living in the house, yes, sir. No matter how horrible people think she is. 2.Diane herself has stated that the shooter was outside the car and shot THROUGH the window, no blood spatter. I dont understand how the family court managed to isolate 2 severely traumatized and grievously injured children from their entire family. That is pure bullshit. Pinterest is an online pinboard. My comment wont change their opinion on the barbarity of the American legal system, media influences and Ann Rules input. She threw her keys yet was able to take off right away?? Every time, she said she did not know, they told her to think again and made suggestions. Speculative. Join Facebook to connect with Robert Knickerbocker and others you may know. They played the tape in the courtroom, and the fact that Diane did not break down but tapped her foot to the music, was supposed to be another proof of her guilt. This is a scenario pretty hard to believe, but as they say, reality can sometimes be stranger than fiction. I guess he did not want too many people to know about the improprieties that happened in his courtroom. Again thats opinion, and neither balanced nor objective. Expand the Memories and Condolences form. (Yes in the 1980s a ten yr like myself was not as mature as say todays 10 yr olds. View the profiles of people named Robert Knickerbocker. Open ended sentences like this are meant to provide a means of control and public safety when considering dangerous offenders who may pose a continued risk to the public. The definition of deviant sociopath does not even exist in the DSM-HI, which is the official psychiatric diagnostic manual. and so on. You do not debate the content of the blog which you probably did not read anyway. Diane nowhad the title ofdangerous offender. Diane clearly would have had to have had her rights terminated by the court. It should be illegal to use real names and facts from a criminal case while influencing the publicto falselybelieve that the whole content of the filmis true. Exactly Libby why did they say during the trial that he saw his mom? And she clearly remembered the April 1983, rape that Mr. Downs would later refer to as love making. Hugi got the evidence needed to convict after numerous meetings with Christie. Send a note, share a story or upload a photo. I do have to take issue with this article about Diane Downs. #corrupt. There is absolutely no evidence that Hungry like the Wolf was playing when Christie got shot but it is another detail they added to bring a dramatic element to this trial. Justice is all that is left. She is nowhere near being paroled and if she admitted guilt, I am not even convinced they would release her. Top 3 Results for Robert Knickerbocker in AZ 1 The best result we found for your search is Robert Knickerbocker age 60s in Phoenix, AZ in the Garfield neighborhood. Uncover Robert's photos, videos, and more , Personal details for Robert may include . And to say that her mental health has degraded is an understatement, but more reason not to keep her eternally incarcerated. And once again, considering that she was diagnosed as bipolar, did not help her cause. Dianes dad died a year or two ago. It is not a plus, but it is not a crime either. She signed an affidavit to that effect and wanted the jury informed of it but it was never done. A fact strongly denied by Diane and by the nurses reports. I had nonetheless heard of the legendary Diane Downs; the cruel sociopath who had sacrificed her own children to be free to pursue a relationship with the man she loved. So many of the cases Lise writes about on this blog either have no forensic evidence that supports the verdict or have very misleading forensic evidence that may or may not support the verdict, depending on who is interpreting it. I agree on many points with your comment. Or that the sketch did not resemble the suspect enough? It is not, nor should be, a Conflict of Interest for a caring adult to Foster one or more siblings. I dont. It deserved as much attention as a Unicorn, a song or all the other hearsay floating around because at least, they came from real people signing official documents. There is no way that a jury would convict Diane today, based on the clearly coached testimony of Christie. The chief prosecutor adopting the children beggars belief! All of it is explained in the blog you didnt bother reading. And of course, she added her own brand of paranoia, which is to be expected considering her personality disorder and what she went through. As time went on, Diane became the prime suspect, especially after Robert and her ex-husband, Steve Downs, both told authorities that she owned a .22 caliber handgun, the same type which was used for the shooting of the children. On a side note, what do you think of parole of Leslie Van Houton? It wasnt their fault, it was the job of the social workers and the courts to make sure the kids were not isolated from family. She learnedat a young age to keep her emotions in check and to always present a strong and brave front. You seem to forget that even a few jurors started by voting not guilty on some of the charges. But he overestimated the kind of people that would go along with this soap opera. See All About BORN December 25, 1932 DIED May 15, 2015 LOCATION Tucson,. The lawsuit against Ann Rule was thrown out as unfounded because after reading her book they could find no inconsistencies She sat thru the entire trial AND used actual court transcripts. In the spring of 1986, Christie confided to school mates that shed been coerced to lie in court, to implicate her mother (Appendix 1-2). Five doctors have observed and documented this phenomenon. As a rule, any child under the age of ten prompts counsel to question the competence of any testimony that child might give. And it is not like these two were white as snow. On the night of May 19, 1983, Downs was driving with her three children. Knickerbocker, Robert C.Robert C. Knickerbocker, age 82 of Tucson, AZ, passed away on May 15, 2015 in Tucson. Diane said that Cheryl was laying down on the front floorboard with the passenger seat pushed back. This does not make her innocent. If not, why not? Rule even talked about writing a book about her but it never materialized. You do not have to agree with my general opinion outside of the facts of the case, but I would appreciate some comments on what matters; how this case was handled at trial and during the investigation. And Hugi seemed pretty sure he would get what he was asking for. I had visited Dr. Billings site several times and it is too bad that it was removed. If they could not find the gun or any trace of a shooting on Diane, and you think shes guilty, it would mean she had an accomplice. If she did have memories of the actual shooting, that would be very rare. Inflammatory and speculative Conflict of interest on steroids!! In the 1996 Federal Petition, you can find the Anatomy of Brainwashing that can answer any question on this subject. But if you compare the time she was seen by the witness to the timing of her arrival at the hospital, it seems to indicate she went pretty fast, butnone of it was explained ordemonstrated properly. Background details that you might want to know about Robert include: ethnicity is unknown, whose political affiliation is none; and religious views are listed as unknown. The Dignity Memorial brand name is used to identify a network of licensed funeral, cremation and cemetery providers that include affiliates of Service Corporation International, 1929 Allen Parkway, Houston, Texas. In her case it seems to be more a matter of punishment. In fact, if appropriate family is found, termination is not required. Detectives, like the hospital staff, were struck by Downs aloof attitude about the shootings and the fact that one of her children had been killed. And she should be allowed parole! To offer your sympathy during this difficult time, you can now have memorial trees planted in a National Forest in memory of your loved one. After the shooting, Robert even came clean to his wife about the affair, and then, went on to help the police in their investigation. In 1979, headstrong Diane gave birth to Danny who was not Stevens biological son because he had no desire to be a father again. I go fishing with a jurors husband. That is the way she was brought up,especially at the demand of her rigid but verydedicated father. 2023 SCI SHARED RESOURCES, LLC. The best poems for funerals, memorial services., and cards. It was obvious to the cops and the prosecution because they proceeded to get her daughter to testify against her because they had nothing to prove she was the shooter. I am glad that some articles remain. But I will answer the points you raised about the blog. That is the reason effective trial counsel challenges the competency of a nine-year-old child to testify in a court of law. I think that you are right about certain things not being ignored. A. I dont recall telling her to get an apartment. Did you read her statements to the parole board in 2008? Postal Service to be closer to her parents. Further: Wonder about Justice in Nation with world wide highest prisoner rate. You have a photo of Diane before the parole board. During cross-examination, she said that she witnessed the murders while sitting up and that Cheryl was sitting up on the front seat when she got shot. This blogger thinks that if you had bothered reading the blogs that you just mentioned, you would know that I do not call anyone innocent. It is documented in the blog where I give the source In the 1996 Federal Petition, you can find the Anatomy of Brainwashing that can answer any question on this subject. Diane doesnt believe Rebecca is her daughter, rather a media puppet ran by Rule. During the process of the termination (which can take the whole 2 years in question, with appeals) the court is mandated to find family to take the children. The children had a father. Just saw the video of Dianes parole hearing. The only living witness to the crime was Christie, whose stroke impaired her speech and made her unable to speak to police. How one of them lied on the stand about ballistics? I think she was the only one there that night with her children. In fact, Diane had consulted a psychologist after the tragedy and after months of consultation, she was never diagnosed as a sociopath. Phoenix, AZ 85006 Map . According to the State, ballistics evidence proved that Diane Downs was guilty. This article is about due process and the legal right to a fair trial for everyone. Hugi didnt rush in and take the kids, he had time to consider. Q. What got her convicted was two things the towel and Christie. but I think there are some extreme cases that knock women in a bad psychotic way that can be life threatening. Maybe I should have elaborated more about this comment. The family moved to Mesa, Arizona, and Diane and Steve worked at the same mobile-home manufacturer. Christie NEVER said she didnt know who did it she was just unwilling or afraid to tell on her mother. We make them president!!!! So move on. A conviction founded on lies is no conviction at all. Page 50 of Case History she flat out says, they are saying Duran Duran made her shoot her kids!..Im like HUHOkay now this is my favorite groupstill is at 44yrs old.I had to investigate this. danny also said a cartoon character shot themalso he was SHOT IN THE BACK how could he see the shooter????????? 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